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This is an Open Letter to North Bay City Council, it's staff and Residents (or visitors) of North Bay and Ontario.
What was missed in those Nugget articles above was that in 1987 a pedestrian walkway was created and deemed by North Bay By-law 1987-041 to be a "pedestrian walkway shall be provided and maintained as set out as Item. 8 on Schedule "B"

Following is my version of how that bylaw ammendment happened:
  1. I got the normal zoning letter and sketch plan.
  2. I had surveying experience and realized that the dimension parallel to the CPR rail was far bigger than the sketch to which it had been applied.
    • So I measured it, went to Mayor Lawlor with it, he called in both the CAO and City Engineer - who said I was not an OLS (true) and that I was wrong!
    • I returned to my work place, searched for and found a very recent MTO aerial photo covering that area and returned to Lawlor's office with this and a scale.
    • On checking and measuring that air photo the Mayor apologised to me then called those men in and chastised them in front of me. Then I was embarrassed.
    • The following day I was informed that the proper dimension after that been applied so there was no longer a barrier to public access on the eastern side of the Harbourside property.
  3. But I knew, from real estate billboards and propaganda - that showed stairways going down the bluff to picnic areas, benches, etc. and beaches that this company felt this lakefront area was their "de facto private beach" This was because our property extended down to the high water mark and then there was a waterlot.
  4. Since moving into this area in 1963 I had walked the original (very old) pathway from Timmins Street to Ninth Street countless times (it was my habit to walk to work - weather permitting and we had 2 dogs.)
  5. Even then I was interested in history and had access to the MTO archives text and maps (Ontario Sessional Papers) so I also knew of some very ancient passageways in that immediate area Following is the 1883 legal Survey Plan that determined the cadastral fabric that all North Bay properties are now referenced to.

    click for the full pdf
    • The (yellow) corridor proves the Trout Lake - Lake Nipissing Portage, probably started as a caribou trail around 10,000 years ago and which started to be used as a portage around 4,700 years ago when the rebounding land sequentially uncovered a height of land. After that distance between of that portage increased.
    • Clearings are clearly shown on that same legal plan (Con A Lots 22 and 23 and labelled - Timmins & Gorman - these were Mattawa merchants whom had obviously aquired these lands claimed and patented before the 1883 survey accounting for the Timmins St and Gorman St along with the subdivision called Gormanville (plan #15.) I also have A Niven's notes and summary. I believe that those clearings where the Nipissing First Nation's village prior to the Huron - Robinson treaty when they moved west of Duscheney Creek.
    • Added to that I had already acquired a copy of Dr. R. B. Orr's archeaology report (he was then director of Royal Ontario Museum) and following are relevant pages and information that I have highlighted in red by rectangles and underlines :

      • "for, a few miles west of North Bay were the settlements of the Nipissing, whom Champlain visited on his first trip."

      • "Here he refers to his arrival at the cabins of the savages. The nation of the Nipissings was then situated west of where North Bay's C.P.R. now stands. Thus from his description he was just as likely to have taken the Trout Lake crossing and to have landed at the most westerly end of Trout Lake, where he would pass a number of lakes and arrive at the shore of Lake Nipissing, a short distance west of where North Bay now stands."
  6. From that 1883 legal survey plan and Orr's 1916 report I have concluded that the area between Timmins Street and the boardwalk immediately west of Kings Wharf is very old and very important historically because the main Nipissing village was here prior to 1850 and it follows that pathways followed the lakeshore in both directions that these passageway are virtually the only traces of this era left in North Bay.
  7. So, to my mind, they should be preserved for future generations and that means leave that pathway alone, as it is, please, do not violate this City's ancient heritage by paving over any part of this path from the westerly boardwalk at Kings Wharf to Timmins Street!
  8. But there is even more because this historic pedestrian walkway did and still does follow a unique geological feature (ANSI landform) which between 4,700 years ago and 2,500 years ago was the Nipissing Great Lakes wave cut beach line (back when Lake Nipissing was just another bay of what now is Lake Huron.) this has the following:
    • Altitude
      "South of the hinge line in both basins the Nipissing beach has an altitude of 595 feet (181 m)to 597 feet (182 m), the average being about 596 feet (182 m). The altitude of Lake Huron is taken as 581 feet (177 m.) Currently the the mean Level of current Lake Nipissing is 196 metres " confirms this headland and pathway as Nipissing Great Lakes beach strandline which is over 110 kilometres from current Lake Huron's Georgian Bay!
  9. In the Ontario Crown Land Policy Atlas and addition to the French River Provincial Park (P110)the Ontario government deemed that all Crown Land of Lake Nipissing South Shore from the mouth of the South River to the mouth of the French River is Great Lakes Heritage Coast Signature Site

    click for full pdf
    There can not be any doubt that this landform, an ancient Great Lakes Coast doesn't exist here but unlike the south shore of Lake Nipissing and the Islands of the French River the base of that ancient shoreline which can be accessed by vehicle at either end and then experienced by walking the 0.9 kilometre natural pedestrian walkway that follows it! In all these features are much older than the Pyramids of Egypt!
  10. Following is a early 1990's clipping of an MTO photo which I included because the pedestrian walkway and Nipissing Great Lakes Heritage Coast show up so clearly.
  11. The City of North Bay has been consistently missing out in the area of tourist ATTRACTION, because much of it is built on the North Wall of this 450 million year old rift valley which is 700 km in length and averages 55 km in width. But North Bay has constantly ignored this for over a century (as well as ignoring this walkway and it's ancient beach line along with all the other geoheritage vistas that were and some still available to be viewed from the north wall of the Rift Valley Escarpment, this waterfront and many places within the City itself!
    I do not understand why?
  12. Here is a Google Earth view of what that natural pedestrian walkway along that over 3,000 year old ancient coast looks like"

  13. When this area was private CPR land nothing much could be done with to protect these Heritage values. But since January 17, 1984 it has been public land (and bylaw 1996_035 deemed this a park) but the City has steadfastly ignored this significance this landform which should be recognized and under the protection of Ontario’s Great Lakes Strategy as a Land ANSIs and the two pathways as as Life ANSIs! However the City of North Bay has consistently ignored them in the past and done nothing to protect and promote them!
So now it is my intention to bring this to the Canadian and Ontario Governments, so that they too, can ignore these ANSI, historical and heritage features!

After being ignored about bylaws (1987-001 & 002) I felt and still feel that this ancient beach landform and those walkways must be recognized and protected with full public access to these landforms, pathways and Lake Nipissing's shoreline available to all citizens in perpetuity.

So I challenged the 2 zoning by_laws (by letter to Mayor Lawlor, the City CAO and the Ontario Municipal Board) stating that bylaws 1987-001 and 1987-002 cut off any public access to Lake Nipissing giving that proposed condominium a "de facto" private beach! The result of this challenge was a number of visits and dialoque mostly with the City Solicitor of that time, who eventually came to our house with the following memorandum from the Head of Planning to the CAO, along with draft copies of by_law 41-87 to ensure that my wife and I would be amenable to the proposal!

the problems we pedestrians have had with bikes

Our home is at the Timmins St. end of the path and surrounded on two sides of it. Quit naturally we use in on almost a daily basis. We don't fence off or block access to the vista from our rock (although we could) because we feel that other people should enjoy it too! So far we have had very little trouble and pray that continues.
  1. Over the years people my wife and I have talked to are amazed and delighted with this pedestrian walkway and it's completely natural flavour! Very few know of it cultural and natural heritage significance.
  2. Generally they "love the path" but, of late, many mentioned "near misses" and many more have been startled by people riding bicycles.
  3. I concur with this because we like the others find it very hard to fully relax when you feel that you are in constant danger of being seriously hurt!
  4. 30 years ago the City installed signs indicating no bicycles except if cyclists dismount from the bicycle and walk through. We had nothing to do with this!
  5. It was and is virtually impossible to get on this path on a bicycle without being in full visual path of these signs.
    1. new replacement sign end of boardwalk looking up natural pedestrian walkway (note the drifting sand hard for a bicycle to negotiate)
    2. new replacement sign on the other side of same post as above but looking over the boardwalk - note the drifting sand over that walkway.
    3. original sign on chain link fence 10th Streeet outfall (attempts to remove it were foiled)
    4. original sign on chain link fence 10th Streeet outfall (attempts to remove it were foiled)
    5. new replacement sign at entrance via Tenth Street south OVR boundary chain link fence.>
    6. original sign with parking sign was replaced last year so students on trolleywaddles could go through to turn around? It was never replaced!

Now here is the kicker

As it stands right now there is a PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY IMMEDIATELY AND ENTIRELY ALONG THE lAKE NIPISSING WATERFRONT FROM REGINA ST. TO TIMMINS ST. Wheeled vehicles (excepting disabled transportation) are not allowed there unless they are pushed or carried.

This has to be the most unique and most enjoyable waterfront of any city in Ontario and perhaps Canada particularly with it's vista's and overview of a number Earth and Life ANSI's (Area of Natural Scientific Interest)

  1. On the south side of Memorial Dr. the boardwalks, paved and natural walkways are nearer to Nipissing's waters and where people walk, relax, stroll, engage in conversation with their companions, etc. All the while they are viewing and feeling the
    1. the constant motion of Lake Nipissing in all it's various phases:
        and seeing:
      • the excellent panorma of an ancient rift valley from this walkway (particularly enhanced from the end of King's Wharf) where one can view this ancieant rift valley's North and South Walls (called escarpments) which are clearly visible
      • there is the Manitou Island complex of 5 islands in a circle , (a caldera or a volcano that blew it's top.)
      • a view of much of the lowland like most of North Bay and the Callander/Himsworth flats that was once the outlet of upper Great Lakes (10,000 - 4,700 years ago) and then the bed of the Nipissing Great Lakes for 4,700 to 2,500 years ago is also visible.
    2. As well, on the boardwalks and paved walkway east of Kings Wharf there are benches, grassy areas, rocks where people can rest, relax, contemplate and wonder.
    3. All along this pathway there are ornamental gardens planted and maintained by over 200 volunteer North Bay Heritage Gardeners)
    4. on the boardwalks and paved portions of these walkways people can relax (walk, stroll or pause) with very little care about being hit and hurt by somebody on wheels going much faster than the normal walking speed of 3.1 km/hour

    The main reason for this was the foresight of the City of North Bay and the Trans Canada Trail System to put the Kate Pace Way multi-trail passageway on the North Side of Memorial Drive because the average walking speed is 5 kilometres per hour as oppossed to th the average cycling speed which is 15 km/hr but can reach speeds of 45 km/hr. Separating these two modes of transportation (i. e. by putting human powered transportation (bicycle, roller blades, etc.) on the north side of Memorial Dr. and pedestrian traffic on the south side has mostly eliminated the problem "that bicycles and pedestrians don't mix."
      Kate Pace Way (Memorial Drive)

      Gormanville Road
    has been and will continue to be a win-win situation!

    this separation principal (cars from bikes from pedestrian) works well on Memorial Drive and Gormanville Road should be encouraged throughout the City of North Bay especially with Ontario Government funding that is now available.

    Here are photos from the intersection of Main St. W (Hwy 17b) and Timmins Street looking east from here to memorial drive this is - 2 12' lanes, 2 10' parking lanes (under utilized on south side), 2 paved boulevards, 2 sidewalks.

      • I decided to take pictures down the C/L's at the intersections of the other streets on the north side of main street - to explain the under utilized parking on it's south side. The picture above shows this is adjacent to the beer store and the first residence beyond there is Jet Ave. (which stops at the Beer Store and this home's property line).

        All of the residences from this point on down to Tenth Street are between Main Street and Jet Avenue and most prefer to park their vehicles on Jet Ave very few park on Main Street which can be taken as an explanation of underutilized parking lane.

        As you can see there are very few parked vehicles on the north parking lane also.
    1. This is from Cormack Street looking east
    2. This is from 11th Street/Bell Street looking east
    3. This is from 10th Street/Durril Street looking east - that intersection through to Memorial Drive there are no parking signs (8am-6pm) on the south parking lane.
    4. This is from Harvey Street looking east

  2. looking west there are 2 12' lanes, recent curb/asphalt pavement on south side) (on the north side there are utility lines in boulevard, a sidewalk and a paved slope?

    This ends up at Nipissing Street (a 4 way stop) which is also where the City proposed shoreline pedestrian walkway, Goman Street, north on Nipissing St. to Harriet St. to Main St. wind up.

    (I have no concerns which way these routes go from here - but all options will finally be following the south side of Main St. (Hwy 17b) to connect with the bicycle path that abuts the the pavement of Gormanville Rd.)

    The expected collection area for Main Steet West improved is:

    It should be noted that I that think that using the south side of Main St. West is, by far, the best option for joining the bicycle route from Memorial Drive to Gormanville Road and that will accommodate at least 6 collector corridors (streets) with connection to the downtown and the other bicycle route networks.

  3. But there are no modern facilities on the natural pedestrian walkway west of the Kings Wharf boardwalk because that wouldn't be natural would it? Yet many people including myself prefer that! In an attempt to explain this, I am offering pages 84 to 86 which I plagerized from the best selling book -- Blue Mind
      "Imagine yourself walking in the forest along the edges of a stream. The green canopy of leaves overhead rustles slightly, moved by wind or perhaps the passage of a bird or squirrel through branches. The uneven ground beneath your feet makes you pay more attention than usual to the feel of the earth, the roughness of tree roots, the occasional rock that juts upward to trip you if you're not careful. You smell the slightly fermented odor of damp leaves rotting, and you get an occasional whiff of spray from the water beside you. You notice the roughness of the bark on the trees you're passing, and the gradations of green of various trees and bushes. Your ears, without the usual electronic and/or urban over stimulation., start to hear the different ways your shoes sound on dirt or on leaves. Unconsciously, you had been aware of the sound of the water beating against the shore and a raft of bird calls, some right overhead, many more in the distance; but as you walk, these sounds come into focus. You stop for a moment and simply enjoy your surroundings. Your senses are doing what they were meant to do: engage fully with the natural world as an integral part of it. "For the largest part of our species' existence, humans have negotiated relationships with every aspect of the sensuous surroundings" philosopher and cultural ecologist David Abram states. "And from all of these relationships our collective sensibilities were nourished. Direct sensuous reality . . . remains the sole solid touchstone for an experiential world now inundated with electronically- generated vistas and engineered pleasures; only in regular contact with the tangible ground and sky can we learn how to orient and to navigate in the multiple dimensions that now claim us.

      Yet,in most of the modern world, our primary perceptions are almost entirely filtered through human construction. We walk on sidewalks or drive on roads in our human-built cars, to places of work that are human-created, "built" environments. We listen to music, watch TV, surf the Internet, read books; eat prepared meals that taste nothing like their original natural ingredients; use perfumes and soaps and household products that mask real smells; and touch screens and plastic and processed materials that feel like nothing in nature. None of this is bad per se, but we have been separated from the very stimuli we were built over hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years to perceive: the richness of the natural world. Neon signs are beautiful, cell phones are useful, sub ways are efficient, and crowds spilling out into the paved streets have a powerful appeal. But such commotions are the wrong key to a lock installed by evolution -- and even those amidst the skyscrapers know it without knowing it. Study after study, as well as personal experience, shows that the overstressed, overstimulated, urbanized mind can find greater reliefin the more subtle perceptions of a park, a forest, a beach, or a riverbank than it can from almost any human-produced environment. And while visualizing yourself in natural environments is certainly better than nothing, all of our senses are craving the full "nature" experience."

    I am 80 years old and this book explained my life long passion to be: in the bush; in a canoe traversing the wilderness; bird watching; hiking; hunting; a home on a lake; and a camp on a river; and I have traversed all the walkways (not sidewalks) of North Bay. The combination of natural walkways, board walks, paved walkways (with benches, ornamental gardens, explanatory signs, benches, gazebos, etc.) along Nipissing shores is one of the few things I haven't become tired of Each of the combinations that make up the North Bay Waterfront are different yet somehow they compliment each other! For this I feel that have to thank the initial founders of this area, the City of North Bay, the Heritage Gardeners and all those who have made this WATERFRONT a truly great place to be a neighbour of!

    I have to wonder why this has suddenly changed with the recent influx of MTO's money for bicycle paths!

    However if the City continues with the illogical destruction of Cultural and Natural Heritage by paving over and improving the Shoreline walkway, Gorman Street, Nipissing St:

    Only one street - Nipissing Street will be there for bicyclists to use and it has a fairly steep gradiant to Main Street! The other half from the collector area has to use Main Street as is which frustrates what the MTO tried to do with the $325,000 grant!

Since March of this year I have observed that the bulk of the cyclists heading west after getting to the end of the Kate Pace Trail continue on up Memorial Dr. to the Intersection of Murray, Oak, Memorial and Main streets and then along Main Steet (Hwy 17B) from the intersection of Memorial Dr. to Gormanville Road! It seems that over 80 per cent or more of the east/west cross town bicycle traffic now use Main Street West or it's south side walk!

This might be because there is a new cycle route map that I don't know about but I believe this is the same "Proposed (Dashed white line)" that appears in the background map (Veloroute 3 - Voyageur Cycling Route), mentioned earlier) which was somewhat obscured by some felt pen markings to take this away from Main St.
  1. I personally recommend to the Trans Canada Trail expert's "Proposed (Dashed white line)" which is the complete Main St. West between Memorial Dr. and Gormanville Rd. and that this route should be improved, making it safer with that stated goal of developing a "Contiguous trail system for North Bay" and like the 3.5m curb/2 lane multipathways that are now installed on the north side of Memorial Dr. and the east side of Gormanville Rd. which is where this Connection is going and the cycling public is used to them! (I am going to refer to this "MG lane"!)
      Human powered wheeled vehicles, mainly bicycle, traffic has increased on Main Street since the city put up "no parking" signs on either side of this street from Memorial Drive to Tenth Street! There are almost no parked cars in either parking lane of those two blocks during the day up to Timmins St.
    So now many cyclists going east use the south parking lane because it is usually (these residents generally park in their back yards on Jet Ave.) For this reason there is a usually very few vehicles parked on the north parking lane too so I believe that a "MG lane" over this stretch would work well -- simply pave over the south side curb/boulevard/sidewalk
      Harvey, Durril, Bell and Cormack go north and all have moderate grades.
  2. At Timmins Street the curb to curb pavement (42') suddenly drops to just (24') of pavement.
  3. and for the next block there is a kind of recent paved "MGlane" up to Nipissing Street (a 4 way stop and a lesser grade going north)
  4. Beyond that up to Gormanville Rd. (the target) it is strictly gravel shoulder with few signs and no poles so an "MGlane" is indicated throughout. Following is an image of what this looks like:
    click for pdf
USING the southern lane of MAIN ST. West FOR THIS "CONNECTION" IS by fare the CHEAPER AND MUCH BETTER ALTERNATIVE. because Main St. West has good connection with Nipissing St. (moderate grade), Timmins St. (steep grade), Cormack St (little grade) Bell, Durill, Harvey and Murray Street (little or no grade) and ultimately all of goes straight to the Downtown, Oak Street, Memorial Dr. and the Trans Canada Trail system and this can be upgraded at very little cost to a system that is familiar and works well for the resident cyclists because it would be very similar to the existing Kate Pace Way/Memorial Drive and Gormanville Rd!

The alternative, shown on the Veloroute #3 map in various coloured felt markers, seems to have a number of real problems for multi use, particularly for the combining of pedestrian and bicycle traffic:

All in all, this existing pedestrian trail is a very poor candidate for a paved multi use trail particularly bicycles. All I can do is beg you not to pave it!

I was surprised when I accepted and attended the July 23, 2016 Design Workshop for the Downtown Waterfront because of the restriction the City put on this study (within red polygon below) which completely excluded the Kings Wharf to Timmins Street pedestrian walkway or the bicycle routes to the other parts of the city.

This myopic look at North Bay's tourist gems simply doesn't make any sense to me. Given it's history, geoheritage, vistas (the MBMCA tower is only one of them) North Bay is a world class tourist destination that isn't mainly because of North Bay's complete lack of vision in such matters - they simply can't get past more development on the old part of the City and fail to see they have almost run out of room for that!

It is, in a word, SAD!

the simple inclusion of the western pedestrian walkway into the North Bay Waterfront was, by far, the best, most inexpensive and biggest increase in value to that Waterfront and the Downtown to be had! Simply including that natural pedestrian walkway as it is today will almost double the value of the Downtown Waterfront! as shown below

which would increase the foot walkways from 1.46 kilometres to 2.36 kilometres. This long ignored fact would make North Bay's Waterfront the most unique asset that quite likely is not available in other Ontario municipality with barely another cent spent! <

added 2 July 27, 2016
In waiting to get in for a blood test this morning I picked up a copy of National Geographic Magazine for April 2016 -- "How Urban Parks Are Bringing Nature Close to Home" while there only seems to one in Ontario, Toronto - it does look like this the coming thing throughout the world! North Bay has a real advantage here because it already has this they simply have to recognize and advertise it!

  1. In November 1994 the City commissioned consultants (Proctor and Redfern, Baird Associate and McNeely Engineering to produce an "Marathon Beach Environmental Assessment Report. I recall this was only to deal with bacterial loading because the health unit had posted signs warning against swimming after storms. Here is the "preferred design" suggestion of that 1994 report
  2. A few years ago there seemed to be an intensive geotechnical operation that installed a number of wells (which are still there> and must have been testing for toxic leachate emanating from the Kenrock/1912 Smelter site that probably is the reason for the orange coloured algae (this has proven to be a rust eating algae by the North Bay Mattawa Conservation Authority - kind of ugly but not threatening) that forms on the sand before the water comes up in the spring. There should now be some information (of what is leaching out) and if a wetland could deal with it) now available as this report should have been sent to the MOE.
  3. I am aware that this foreshore of Lake Nipissing has lake bedsoils (metre +\- of sand, some meters of clay and "brown pudding" (ancient organic deposits of marshes) Because of that I suspect that the Kenroc property is not meant to have a big building put on it and that this area needs to have a thorough geotech drilling and assessment done on to to prove to disprove my weak findings.
      I understand that some of the foreshore and lacustrine lands between Lake Nipissing and the foot of the escarpment are too unstable to have big buildings built on them without special care being taken.
      Here is some documentation regarding this:
      1. A blowup of the clipping of the Widdifield 1883 map which shows that this Kenroc and the current court house area had a major marsh.
        • clipping of the 1916 map by the Canada Department of Public Works (first noticed in one of Baird's reports) which shows two ditch/creek/slippage? areas where Kenroc and the 1912 Montreal Smelter were

        • following is a 1990 oblicque image on the Kenroc site in full bloom. There were even adding on to it then.
          Click for a full pdf
          there is little wonder why this building and land may have had trouble with stability. This could also explain the manufacturing chemicals leachate that I am concerned about especially for that building was constructed right over that deep gulley.
        If I am proven wrong then I apologize - if I am right, then the best that can be done with this land is to make it into a parking lot (something that there isn't very much of in downtown North Bay (No Parking, no customers!)

        This area into one of these NATURAL urban parks as an RV park parking lot, (which is what it has been used by the movie industry for over the last few years) or almost anything else requiring very small light and perhaps portable buildings etc.

    The 2015 Google Earth image shows the sand that has penetrated the King's Wharf (until the late 1970's this dock was on pilings) now even a sand plume shows up within the marina itself.
  4. Baird's "Preferred Design - Figure 5" seems to be the answer to this and it may help save the shoreline between here and Callander Bay.

    I just bought a high-depth sounder with maps accurate up to foot in depth. The followig is an immage taken from Navionics US & Canada bathymetry.

    This (the sand littoral drift going around the dock will happen anyway - I expected it to happen in about a hundred years (from my presentation to Baird (NBMCA) but now this will happen much quicker. You can shallow water and colour it blue. Back in 1916 the Federal Public Works put in the Chaudiere Dams on the French River raising Lake Nipissing water level close to 6 feet in the summer months the water is lowered about that much to deal with the spring freshet so that is where the water retreats for December to April: In less than 10 years I expect that longshore drift will go past the end of the dock and hopefully keep going to the shores south and east of here building them up again.

    I am not recommending the following image but if it is found that wetlands can treat the leachate from the Kenrock site then this should be considered. If the wetlands can't deal with that leachate just leave it alone. In either case it will look something like this

    This might not be all bad news because in the past all of North Bay's special events on the Lake continually fall short of expectations and most have long since folded. One was the winter fur carnival but it was always built on ice and got rained or slushed out constantly. I expect that if the beach was extended to cyan line and above the winter water level of the lake this could not occur. There are many other things that can be done there flying kites, cai chi, exercises, etc. come to mind.

    North Bay has a serious lack of holding tourism in North Bay, longer than a overnight in Walmart's parking lot. Perhaps the solution there is to establish a High end RV pull through camp ground (there are no other facility like this within hundred of kilometres of North Bay) either by running or offering this service. I know that City of North Bay will reject this so I won't pursue it. But all of these big rigs are self-sufficient but only to a degree and having a watering and sewer unloading facility back anywhere in North Bay "might get them the City of North Bay off of this "shit list" and return some of that tourism asset and even some perhaps some the tourists themselves. In our travels we have often been embarrassed having to tell people about the almost total lack of camping facilities anywhere near North Bay.

    Thanks for your kind attention.

    Roy Summers
    121 Timmins Street
    705 474-4795